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MoKDNY, Novcri>').--r Q.
E o>r the bill- Viaking further ap-
¦trot: for the support of the wvy- du-
e year 1807.
ably to the order of the day, the
nt into a committee of the w hole,
•"is in the chair, on the bill making
>r»ation for th; further support of
V Establishment during the year
otion of Mr. G. W. Campbell, the
-1 the bill ware filled up in the fol-
nanner:
and mbsistance of
»ffieers and seamen, do!!s.J4,j$B 20
31,468 t;
142884 61
18,500
10,139 42
1,263 40
3x0.554,60
87,500
spe<
it
. •*.--' * "" C
_ —^^yisi ns,
airs of vessels
and subsistance of
»he marine corps,
3thingfor the same,
Jicines. and hospital
stores,
inance and military
store's,
-nber for the navy. _^^^^^^^^
"bill being gone through, a motion
s » «rle for the committee to rise- when
^Juincey wished to ask a question of
~~ » € rman f the committee of Ways and
In the estimate which they had
* "^."^ from the Secretary f the Navy, it
^ 2, t-ed the timber procured was " for
-vva^ JsT- -w- &. 73 gun-boats;" the appropriation
\)\y « ^¦<\ *^- lull was ' for the Navy;" he wish-.
c ~~ -ycnow the reason for this variance ;
* *=> ^.-j. this timber was the same as that
» ^ * jc^. <1 for the gun-boats ; if so, whether
* ~^^ r=»ny thing else than gun-boat timber ?
'* m O.W. Campbell said, that he would
"5>~ '**" ^,0ur to satisfy the gentleman trom
eod43" «~liusf.tts. Upon conversing with the
M3F;' t zxry of the Navy, the committee were
S^01"^,^ that this timber was procured of
i«-» **~ZX^ ^ *_-i ality, that it might answer any ordi-
#*a «= "** ^ -jval pWpu-es ; it was perhaps con-
Iiar^ -j^tedto be used for the erecti n ofgun-
fce-«x"1 f* but bad been so selected that it
t>< ^^^3 ~**=>E appropriated to, other purposes, if
**e<«Slx-.. Qiiinccy said, the committee would
^ -j e ct, that in the communication from
•<"e'*=:C:'-j~Tresident of the United States to this
**'**5- «^-„ he first states that he has made a
i**7*^:'fceV- provision of those articles >i tniliia-
SS*"*^L «,*-««, with which e were not before
*V f^^ierntly furnished ; he then states that
L*^ aCf aiSo incurred some expences unpro-
.<-! for, for gnu-boats. Mr. 0^ under-
'^j "by the communication from the Trea-
atid Navy Departments, that the pre-
appropriation was for extraordinary ex
cee incurred for the Navy, other than
_ vhich come under the general name
Military st :res, and not including thos«
^^^^mi' ess "for gun-boats. He asked of the
f^ ,rrnsn of the committe- of Ways and
merely for information, whether
extraordinary expellees were those
;b the President alluded to ? Whether
,nccs. not produced to the house, were
. ^f-t behind the curtain? Whether they
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of i"1
these
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the whole expences that had been in-
cl States had informed the house that ccr-
eMtraordinary expences had been incur-
i. nd that the estimate; would be laid be-
and as such estimates had been
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¦^rs/Tt - G. W. Campbell said hs could only
sVver to the gentleman's enquiries, that a-,
*he message from the president of the U-
«iite
tain
red,
fore them ^^^^^^^^^^^
. \ai\ci before the house, the committee had
c
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•X*lieV had n0 information before them from
rj-,ich they could intorm the house whether
*Vier the ma-
vine corps to the number of 1004 : under
present circumstances, he thought proper
to exercise that power. No appropriation
had been made for the purpose ; bet it was
presumed that if the law provided the polit-
er of increasing this Corps, it intended that
they should be supported and cloathed.
As to timber, the same reasoning would
apply. It. was thought essential to make
preparations to guard our defenceless ports
and to present our cities from buing burnt 01
destroyed. With a view to this purpose it
was thought proper to procure a quantity of
timber for gun ships ; and in order to ena-
ble the legislature to give such a form to
the preparations for the defence of our har-
bors as they should think tit, the timber was
se> selected as to suit any purpose. And i
it should not be necessary to make use of
hit timber, it was well known that it could
bf sold without loss.
There had been no Other expences incured
than those rendered necessary by the situati-
on in which the couutry was placed by the
attacked on the Chesapeake ; and he believ-
ed the present bill included every additional
expenditure that was made.
Mr. Qiiincy observed, that in making
these enquiries his intention was n:,t to cast
any blame on the inenrrin r-. hich he may have
applied to purposes which were not so au-
thorised. He did not believe that there
was so much more money than was necet-
sary appropriated to any specific objects in
the hands of the secretary as would enable
him to meet these additional expences with-
out affecting other appropriations.
Mr. CK c uld then oitly suppose that the
secretary of the navy had purchased and
paid for these articles fri.m his own private
puise or that of some other person. He
wished to know how it was ? If he conld
not obtain information this way, he must
try-some other. He wished that the laws
of the country should be so modified, as to
give all security to the individual who had
taken on himself so great a responsibility.
Mr. G. W. Campbell said, he under-
stood that the gentleman's objections at first
were nst against the appropriation or the
propriety of making it ; but now he wished
to know whether a subordinate officer had
actually paid this money, or whether it re-
mained unpaid ; and if paid, where the
secretary of got m, ney to pay it. For him-
self he considered it of no inportance in
what manner the money was paid, whether
in dollais or in bank notes or in any other
vtay The president has declared that he
deemed it necessary to procure these mate-
rials, because appearances indicated an ap-
proaching rupture ; if they had not been
procured then, they might have become
scarce, and perhaps could not be had at all.
The materials were stored ; the secretary of
the navy had said that they were purchased.
He conceived it immaterial whether the
money was actio.Uy paid, or whether any
individual had become responsible for it. It
was not usual for the committee of Ways
and means or for the house to go into mi-
nuiicC, or to enquire whether the money
were paid one way or another. He asked
the gentleman from Massachusets if it were
of any importance whether it were paid a
month ago, or should be paid a month hence.
The gentlemanseemed toendeavorto propose
some question that would produce difficulty ;
he professed to be in favor of the appropri-
ation, and yet wished to throw some obstl-
cle in the way to obstruct its passage. Even
had the secretary appropriated money to this
exigency which had been Otherwise appro-
priated, it was a customary measure. There
was a time when this doctrine was advocated
by the very gentleman who^now seemed to
oppose it. Mr, C. here read a part of the
message from the president to congress
which relates to this subject. He then con-
tended that this proved that the articles spo-
ken of were secured, and that the persons
of whom they were procured, were satisfied
with the security ot government for the pur-
chase. It the propriety of incurring these
expenses wer? brought into question it
might be necessary '"to give some an-
swer to objections which should be offe'rec!.-
But as it seemed that the propriety of the
measure was not questioned, he should go
no further into the subject.
Mr* Randolph said, from what he heard
of the debate, it appeared to him that some
doctrines had been advanced by the gentle-
man on bis left, (Mr. Campbell) which had
not been heretofore considered as the true
old * big doctrine, the true republican or
democratic doctrine. He had h«ard it stat-
ed, with some surprize, that tire misappro-
priation of public money, or, in other words,
to apply public money which had been ap-
propriated forone object to an- ther, was a mat-
ter of little importance, and unworthy of
being made a question of enquiry in this
house. He thought very differently. He
had not heard much of the debate ; but he
had'heard tnongh to convince him that an
alarming—a damning heresy on the subject
of politics, was likely to become pievalent
in this body. Mr- R, said he would take
the liberty of reading 'an extiact from the
first communication vhich the present pre-
sident of the U, S. made to congress, in
which he recommends it as prudent to mul-
tiply barriers against the misapplication of
public money, by confining expenditures to
express appropriations. Mr, R - read the
passage to which he alluded as follows :
" In our care too of the public contributi-
ons entrusted to our direction, it would be
prudent to multiily barriers against their
disipation, by appropriating specific sums
to every specific purpose susceptible of derh-
nition ; by disallowing all application of
money varying from the ppropriasion in
object or transcending it in amount ; by
reducing the undefined field of contingen-
cies, and thereby circumscribing discretion-
ary po ers over m mey ; and by bringing
back to a single department all accountabi-
lities for money, where the examination
may be prompt efficatious and uniform."
These opinions said he are at total variance
with the doctrine no advanced—the pre-
sent doctrine threatens a war of extermina-
tion to these opinions. Droctrines which
were then held sacred, and on which he
had always acted and upon which he trusted
he should always continue to act, appeared
no'v to be deserted.
The gentleman fr.'m Tennessee (Mr.
Campbell) had stated, that there " as a time
when certain gentlemen sanctioned the doc-
trines for which he n w contends. It was
equally true, he said, that there were others
*h>, contemporaneously too, defended the
principles for which he now contended.—
Does the gentleman from Tennessae con-
sider us as as polincai roundabouts, to be
changed by changing . ¦ tmUSnces ? If
this be the fact the sooner we know it the
better.
Mr. R. called the attention of the house
to an enquiry formerly made into the con-
duct of general Bamilt n, supported by a
colleague of his no .- in the Senate. What
was the crime alledged against the gene al ?
It was that he had applied monies appropri-
ated for one purpose to defray the expences
of another. This was the charge which was
then made, and supported with great ability.
Mr. R. allowed that the crisis which oc-
casioned the extraordinary expenses in ques-
tion was an immediate one. It was so cri-
tical, that congress ought to have been im-
mediately convened, in order that they might
have given authority by la v for these extra-
ordinary e*pences, and for adopting such
measures as nati nal feeling and national
honour called for.
He confessed lie felt exiremely reluctant
to vote large sums for the support of our de-
graded and disgraced navy, for expences too'
that had been illegally incurred. He had
endeavoured in v,tin, to procure Gallatin on
Finance, (which certainly ouerht to be in
their library). In that book he recollected
a case exactly opposite to the present, Where
the President of the U. S. during the Penn-
sylvania insurrection, made use of money
to defray the expences incurred, which hid
been appropriated for a different object ; but
not having the book in his possession, he
would not venture to quote it, lest he should
not do it correctly. Mr. R. concluded by
saying, that when he rose, he did not mean
to have said so much on the subject. If a-
ny thing had escaped him grating to any
gentleman's feelings, he hoped it would not
be ascribed to any intention to offend ; but
he could not withhold his indignation on
hearing such anti-republican and highly fe-
deral opinions, as had been supported by the
gentleman from Tennessee.
Mr. Fisk said, that the bill now before the
house went to provide for two objects ; the
one authorised by law, to wit, the increase
of the marine corps ; the other authorised,
the procuring of timber and purchase of ord-
nance. Sec. The secretary of the navy told
them, in his communication, and in his let-
ter to the committee of ways and means,
that they had no stock of these articles on
hand ; and that saltpetre was wanting, and
was then purchased at the lowest price ; tim-
ber also had been procured, which was in
the higliost degree necessary for the defence
of our ports and harbours. It would not be
doubted but the President had a right to
make these provisions ; they would have
thought him deficient in duly if lie had not
done it. The President had thought it ad-
vantageous to lay in these stores, from the
aspect of the times ; it simply rested with
house to say, whether this appropriation
should be made or wiihheld. If in paying
this money or appropriating it, any fault had
been committed by the officers of govern-
ment, if they had exceeded or violated their
trusts, it would be time enough to enquire
into it when it came properly before the
house.
The gentleman from Virginia considered
these doctrines, as anti-re^BUlicaji;, whether
this were the ease rir net, the example had
been set before. There .was a case on record
which would justify them, lie alluded to
a bill passed the iirst session of the ninth
congress.
He thought it therefore very immaterial
whethar money had been paid out of monies
not appropriated, or out of monies otherwise
appropriated. Ii was conceived that congress
would justify the act by an actual appropri-
ation. The only part of the expenditure
which the house could object to, was that
which related to saltpetre and naval stores ;
and he conceived those had been purchased
with a due regard to the interest of the.
country.
Mr. G. W. Campbell regretted very much
that the gentleman from Va. had either
misunderstood him, or had unstated what
had fallen from him. What he had said was
this, and this only, that there rnigi*: be a
case -.vhich would authorise the application
of money destined for one purpose to ano-
ther ; h'e was not prepared to say that this
was such a case, but that such a Case might
happen. He felt surprised that these doc-
trines were stigmatiz.d as ahtl republican or
federal, and that it had l^en said they were
playing a game of political roundabout; the
expression was not surely meant to convey
an idea that they were now advocating a
doctrine which they had once opposed. He
had said that it was necessary to inquire
whether these sums were paid or not, ; he
had not said it was immaterial whence they
had been drawn, if they were paid. He
appealed to the chairman and to the house
if these were not the expressions he had
used. He thought that, the exigency would
warrant the purchase of these materials; the
president had told them these were extraor-
dinary expenditures : hence he could not See
how this question involved the principle of
applying money destined for one purpose to
another.
He felt as much reluctance to vote for
laVge naval appropriations as the gentleman
from Virginia ; he never had Been1 in favor
of them, nor ever should be. He conceived
that if any thing could, authorise such ex-
penditures, this outrage did ; and if the pre
sideiit had neglected 10 put the nation in a
state of defence, the people would have had
reasonjto complain of the inefficiency of go
vernment: it was the duty «f the president
dictmen?*in its present form could not be<
justan.ed.
Burr is s;iid to have been in the neighbor-
hoo ' of this city, at Movrisville; how true
the report is we know not.
to adopt such measures a* would have been
authorised by congress hatl they been sitting
at the time.
The question now was, whether the house
would sanction these expenditures or not :
whether the exigency of the case would.tus-
tify them ? He had not expected that objec-
tions would have been made to the details
of the bill, or that it would have become a
question whether the money was actually
paid by the pecrgtary of the n; vy or not.
[Delate to be continued.']
P \MS, September 19.
Hopes are entertained that the king of
Denmark will not ratify the convention of
Copenhagen. The prince royal has testified
his utmost indignation at the conduct of
oral, in making concessions exceed-
ing his military powers He has refused to
receive Mr. Jackson, the English agent,
who had presented himself at Kiel. He
lias declared he will continue a war with
England ; and retake by foice what had
been wrested from bun by surprize, and trea-
chery.
NEW-YORK Nov. 18.
Arrived, the schr. Joseph, Basset, 4
day» from Yarmouth, fish.
The schr. Sea-Horse, from Guilford.
QNo Clearances yesterday.J
Below, last night, the U- S. sloop of
war Wasp, capt. Smith, 4 days from Bos-
ton—and in the Offing, t.<'0 other ships
one ot which is probably the Constitution
frigate, from Boston, as she sailed with the
Wssp. Tire schr. Hero, Smith, from Sa-
vavannab, and a brig were also below.
The Rope-Walk on Brooklm Heights,
with a considerable quantity of hemp and
cordage, the property of capt. Wm. Clark,
was last night, bctweenn 10 and II, des
troyed by fire.
The following letter from th; secretary at
war to the mayor, was received in ans-ver
to his letter enclosing documents forward-
ed by order of the common council, relat-
ing to the means of fortyfying and pro-
tecting this harbour and ordered to be pub-
lished. John Pimtard, Clerk.
War department, Nov. 12th, 1807.
Sir,
Your letter of the 3d. instant, acompani-
ed by a report of a committee of the corpo-
ration of the city ot New-Yoik, two reports
of colonel Williams, a chart. of the harbor
and an estimate of the expencc of a line of
blocks has been duly received and submit-
ted to the consideiati, n of the president of
the United States, who has authorised me
to say that there will be no indisposition on
his part to the extension of the means of
defence for the harbour of the city of New-
York, as contemplated by the corporation,
whenever a suitable cession of the bed of
the harbour shall be made by the legislature
of the stale, and the necessary funds are
provided by congress.
I have written to governor Tompkins on
the subject, and have indicated the expedi-
ency of such an Act of the legislature as the
case may require.
I have the honor to be
very respectfully, Sir,
Your Obedient Servant.
H. DEARBORN.
Hon. Marinus Wiiaett, Esct.
Mayor of the City of New-York.
PHILADELPHIA, Nov. 19.
Capt. Gardner of the ship Western Tra-
der, from Liverpool, was boarded on the
10th ult. by the British frigate Amherst 6
days from Plymouth, and treated politely—
the boarding officer informed capt. G. that
the Revenge cutter had sailed for the U. S.
and that on the day preceding, they had spo-
ken a cutter g days out, who informed that
an embargo bad been laid on all American
vessels in Plymouth.
Arrived, ship Western Trader, Gardner,
Liverpool, merchandize ; brig Commerce,
Johnson Mantanzies, sugars ; sch'r Rising
Sun, Burden, N. Port R. I. barley and
cheese ; Almira, Bi'iggs, Boston, fish ; Hun-
tress, Montgomery, N. York, merchandize ;
Rover, Gardner, Nantucket, oil ; Amity,
Johnson, St. Thomas ; Polly, Scriven,
Crooked Island, salt ; Juno, --------—? Bos-
ton, merchandize; sloop Prosperity, Moore,
N. York, merchandize.
Cleared, schooner Collector, Mayo, Co.
runna.
Yesterday arrived ship Western TraderV
Gardner, from Liverpool. Left there snip
Perseveance, Pile, of Philadelphia, for N.
Orleans, time of sailing uncertain, and ci-
thers reported by the Eliza.
Same day, arrived brig Commerce, John-
son, 18 days from Mantanzas. Left there
brig Industry, n, with four additional ships of the
line." 0 " We believe it probable that ad-
miral Strachan or some other distinguished
British officer, is appointed to succeed adin.
Berkejy, on the Halifax station ; the rest is
conjecture. \jbid.~\
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FEDERAL GAZETTE:
/ TRENTON, (N. J.) November 16.
On Friday on motion of ccl. Ogden, of
counsil with col. Burr, and with the assent
of the attorney-gtneral, we uiderstand the
supreme court grar.wd an order to quask the
indictment in the case of the state against
Aaron Burr for the muider of general Ha-
milton. It appeals that the indictment wis
very materially defective, End particularly
in that it alleged the murder to be commit-
ted in this state, whtioas the fiivit was Well
tstabiisiiid that the death took place in
the state of New-York- and that it was
the ouiuic.i of th« bar gtuttcallg that the in-
FRIDAY, NOVEMBER20.
By the Pocahontas arrived at Norfolk,
from Liverpo 1, we have received • ur file of
London and Liverpool pr-pers, both to the
second of November. The New-York
arrival brought papers one day later, of
course these contain little news n-1 aheady
before our readers. The following we have-
not before seen.
London, October 1.
Some time ago it was said that an at-
tempt would be made to take the DanisE
ships in the port oi Christiansand. A gen-
tleman who was at Christainsandonthe 10th
has brought the information that Flecksr or
Flekkeroe, a small island at the mouth 0$
Christiansand harbor, was in our possession,
and that two British sail of the line and a
Cutter were menacing Christiansand, where
there were two Danish ships of the line,
one of them an 88 gun-ship.
The sequestration on English property
was taken off at Elsineur on the 15th ult.
Sir Stephen Sharpe, wh> in the begin-
ning of August was dispatched on a special
mission tothe Russian government, had ar-
rived at Petersburg on the 29th of that
month.
Three vessels from Holland, reached
Giavesend yesterday, theay left it on the
18th, having previously tothe rigid enforce-
ment of the Dutch decree obtained their li-
censee* of departure. They have brought s.
vast number of letters, by which we learn
that the whole resp' nsibility of the full ex ¦ •
ecution of the late decree is vested in an of-
ficer of the name of Gogle, who is appoint-
ed by Napoleon, and who is to act under
the influence and discretion of instruction^-
from Paris, and not to be responsible foi
his conduct to any other tribunal. This
has been done to avoid references or appli-
cation to king Louis on the matter. Every
passenger.who in future may arrive on the
Dutch coast, before he can be permiited to
land is to deposit in the hands ot Mr. Go-
gle one thousand guilders, to be forfeited iu
a given time, should discovery be made
that such passenger came last hum a British,
port.
PENNSYLVANIA.
It apptars, from the latest statement it*
the Philadelphia papers, that the Constituti-
onalists have a majority in the house of reprc-
sectatives. Poulson gives it thus,
Constitutionalists, - - 44
Democrats, 42
One of the delagates from Fayette, classed'
as a democrat, is reported to be a constitu-
tionalist. If so, Mr'Kean's majority will
be 4.
¦IT" Letter bag of the brig Adherbni,
Captain.M'Meal, will be taken fr m t.ic
Coflte-House on Sunday r-tiornpig at nine
»'c5*ck.
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